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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:30 pm | |
| It may only been my way of seeing thing, but the people just have to shundo at every post to avoid attack launch at them when there immobile.
I'm okay with your explanation, but still have some doubt. In every game i play generally I start by seeking the blind spot of the rule, but it's no fun on RPG game so I'm just sharing my impression.
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:36 pm | |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:23 pm | |
| Think of shundo as an evasive manuever, and check out the new chapter, I don't think Kaede used shunpo. Her speed is what brought her clones to whiz around Quintum, it's what covered all that distance.
Someone who uses Shundo all the time will soon drain their enemy compared to someone like Rita who just has high speed. |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:19 am | |
| Also take into account, not much people will know Shundo, in Negi's group, Kaede, Negi and Kotarou. That's in, that's really not much people. |
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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:25 am | |
| I made the bet that everyone will take it on the forum once having to suffer versus this technique.
The only way to counter shundo is to use shundo yourself, or to have a overwhelming speed. |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:26 am | |
| Wrong, the ONLY people who have it on the forum are currently Martial Artists and a ninja.
I'm thinking of not approving it if a cleric or wizard wants to learn it, because it's completely out of class. |
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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:37 am | |
| At least a good thing, but still, how can a ranged fighter prevent a close fighter to get him out in one shot if the opponent can use shundo? If you denied the possibility for mage to use shundo, you totally prevent them from dodging the straight attack of a shundo user. If you gave them the ability tu use shundo, you just offer them the same mobility as a shundo user.
This is why I think that everyone should be able to used shundo, but his efficiency should be also based on the speed stat. If you want to be fast, up your speed at the same time you up your shundo, I think it would be fairer. But it's only my point of view after all. |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:43 am | |
| With things like transformation-cancelling bullets, there'll be puts like tracking bullets and such to hit anyway.
Using the shundo is like having high speed for a split second, it's not unlimited and drains much faster. So to use shundo you need high endurance. Plus, your speed initiates other things like how fast you can use shundo, techniques, how far you can run in a distance, how you can dodge attacks and such. |
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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:50 am | |
| Can I make a little simulation? Take a wizard and a ki fighter of the same level.
Their template will globally be in this proportion :
Mage : St 2 A 3 Sp 6 E 10 I 20
Ki fighter :
St 20 A 6 Sp 15 E 10 I 2
Fighting simulation :
Mage active his barrier. Ki fighter shundo him and use his attack skill, breaking the barrier and at least hurting the mage quite badly, if not taking him out.
I just don't see how what is mean to be the weakest kind of character in term of physical strengh can protect himself if he had neither the ability to dodge and the one to prevent his enemy from approaching.
Then the possibility of homing spell, then if the mage shot first it mean sure hit and sure win?
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:50 am | |
| Shundo should not be based on speed, Shundo in Negima isnt based on speed, its based on Ki/Magic adeptness, whence the rank-based abilities. The only person who uses Shundo repeatedly is Rita, it's central to her style, but carries the same restrictions as a regular shundo user.
Setsuna also uses the technique, nearly every higher level KI user uses Shundo in some way
Also barriers and immediately broken unless its a breaker technique, otherwise you gotta deal a significant amount of hits to break it.
Shundo is rank based and is fine, Case Closed, stopping flaming and take this to the Suggestions section Ladies |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:55 am | |
| Wizards at that level would at least have powerful barriers that may withstand a barrier breaking technique, usually. A barrier at 20 intelligent can be rank 7, at most, the ki user can only use a rank 5 move. Meaning, he couldn't break the barrier.
Now do you understand how the statistics system takes place? As Umi said, Shundo is about your magic capacity and such, not your actual speed.
Now that may seem like speed is useless, but you're wrong. Your incantation speed will be much lesser and others will finish such before you do. Not to mention what about attacks that involve 100 slashes? You definitely need high speed to pull something like that off. Many attacks, especially flurry attacks are dire for such. Also take note at Setsuna and Tsukiyomi's fight, neither of them are using shundo, they only use it to close the distance.
You're overestimating shundo, it is very useful, but it's not all that great.
There's things a LOT more broken like Negi's corporal lightning form. |
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:01 am | |
| Will i told you to stop locking the topic, take it to the suggestions forum like normally should |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:05 am | |
| You kidding? We're settling the matter now, I'm proving speed matters. Because, if Nhieling's right, it would be a MAJOR problem.
Don't lock it. Fine, to stay on topic... I'll do it like this:
William Kensuke - 520 Larita Rimuru - 418 Bex Odinion - 234 Rose Amile - 359 Nina Imata - 215 Raven Doweth - 189 Daisuke - 321 Marie Tokochi - 100 Nhieling - 235 Umibouzu Ryuusui - 535 Takashi Yokohama - 478 Saijun - 253 Taurou - 204 Leila Crelines - 204 Ayra Hunders - 210 Rita Taicho - 320 Mortimer Graves - 490 Alex Unit X - 120 Alexus Young - 120 Ashraeh Pervisum - 210 Ken Akta - 210 Ryno Villers - 180 Jessica Emiline - 240 Kagami Kaguya - 287 Micah Zelita - 100 Tristen Lollel - 123 Eva Walker - 190 Emanuel Frost - 200 Rie Nakamura - 354 Aliidan Hana - 211 Zaieru Kugua - 50 Azriel Gillette - 50 Kitty - 329 |
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:11 am | |
| That's why we have a Suggestions area and support forum, be a role model and just move it there |
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TheWill Admin
Posts : 4808 Join date : 2010-01-25 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:14 am | |
| Why aren't you bitchin' about my my rankings????? |
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:21 am | |
| Cause there good, now move it mister |
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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:28 am | |
| Just can't find Yoko on it. |
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Umibouzu
Posts : 2815 Join date : 2010-01-26
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:29 am | |
| His full name is Takashi Yokohama |
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dorianodet
Posts : 1409 Join date : 2010-11-29 Age : 32 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Rakan's Strength Chart: Lost Magic Version Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:35 am | |
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